Revolt!! as expected the Facebook App sucks. Make some noise here!

[Calvin]

Originally Posted by Xyg

Third parties will fill these voids, sales will go full steam ahead (hello, $30 Pixi), and debating with MickVackey is like arguing with an AOL bot.

Wait, he's NOT an AOL bot? (sorry, couldn't resist)

[VickMackey]

Originally Posted by Xyg

Okay. To borrow from myself, "The forthcoming Facebook app is likely to be adequate for most people". I'm not debating that some folks really want a Facebook app. What I am saying is for those folks who find the utility of this entry lacking, there will be more solutions in the future.

disagree. If you used facebook you'd realize what a letdown the pre app is and most users will not be satisfied with it. By your logic, most users will read a cnet review, facebook app sucks? Android good? Iphone good? Hey I'll go with them. So again, a crappy app of the biggest social networking site will likely affect not only sales, but perception of the platform.

[mikah912]

Originally Posted by Xyg

Absolutely. Contrary to your constant assertions, the lack of the end all be all of Facebook clients on webOS isn't going to sink the ship that is Palm. Hell, I doubt it'll even impact sales. The forthcoming application will be plenty useful to most, and I'm positive that we can expect enhanced functionality in this app and in other third party apps as time goes on.

And quite honestly, you and your cohorts in this thread have blown this... what do they call it... completely out of proportion.

The forthcoming application will be "plenty useful to most", eh?

Well, according to Dieter, the app has JUST the following features:

- Read a list of your friends' status updates
- Comment on their status updates and make them as "liked."
- Update your own status
- When a friend updates a photo album, you can view the album within the Facebook app.
- Comment on a friend's photo album

Yet, by directing your Pre browser to touch.facebook.com, you can do all of that AND:

- View profiles
- View your inbox
- View and respond to invites
- View anyone's photo album you're allowed to, not just people in your news feed
- See all your friends

That's available NOW. Has been for sometime. Free. No app to install. Look and feel is formatted for Pre/iPhone/Android resolution, and is arguably more attractive than the Pre app look and feel. Takes up no memory against the app limit.

So, how would this barebones mess be "plenty useful" to anybody again?

[Xyg]

Originally Posted by VickMackey

disagree. If you used facebook you'd realize what a letdown the pre app is and most users will not be satisfied with it. By your logic, most users will read a cnet review, facebook app sucks? Android good? Iphone good? Hey I'll go with them. So again, a crappy app of the biggest social networking site will likely affect not only sales, but perception of the platform.

Psssst guess what... I do use Facebook. And often. And usually when I am using my phone to check Facebook, I'm more interested in a quick look at my news feed than I am anything else. Am I disappointed that there isn't going to be more functionality in this app off the bat? Sure. But I have a feeling most people interface with Facebook on their mobiles in manner similar to me. Even ask Joe Hewitt himself.

[mikah912]

Originally Posted by Xyg

Psssst guess what... I do use Facebook. And often. And usually when I am using my phone to check Facebook, I'm more interested in a quick look at my news feed than I am anything else. Am I disappointed that there isn't going to be more functionality in this app off the bat? Sure. But I have a feeling most people interface with Facebook on their mobiles in manner similar to me. Even ask Joe Hewitt himself.

Which brings us back to square one...why have an app that just duplicates the mobile site in a different skin if that's all "most people" use anyway?

People aren't asking for an app because it is such a frickin' hassle to type touch.facebook.com into your Pre browser once and bookmark it. They want an app because they want to do MORE, not less.

[donm527]

i am impressed the video was taken using a blackberry... pretty sharp and decent sound.

Originally Posted by Xyg

Even ask Joe Hewitt himself.

[windzilla]

Originally Posted by VickMackey

disagree. If you used facebook you'd realize what a letdown the pre app is and most users will not be satisfied with it. By your logic, most users will read a cnet review, facebook app sucks? Android good? Iphone good? Hey I'll go with them. So again, a crappy app of the biggest social networking site will likely affect not only sales, but perception of the platform.

I was interested in what you said, but it turns out reality dosn't jive with that scenario
I think a potential buyer and facebook user would read this and not be immediately turned off to say the least.
from the cnet pixi review
http://reviews.cnet.com/smartphones/palm-pixi-sprint/4505-6452_7-33770759-2.html?tag=txt;page
For more apps, you can check out the Palm App Catalog. It's still in beta but has the catalog has now increased to around 350 apps and includes paid apps. One notable addition that might interest many is the new dedicated Facebook app. It was truly odd that the Pre could integrate all your Facebook contacts, photos, and events, yet there wasn't any way to actually check your Facebook account. Thankfully, there's now a way to update your status as well as view your news feed, comment or like a friend's status, read inbox message, respond to friend requests, and so forth. Palm hopes to bring the App Catalog out of beta before the end of the year at which point we hope to see the floodgates open. In the meantime, there are also hundreds of Homebrew apps available for download.

[Xyg]

Originally Posted by mikah912

Which brings us back to square one...why have an app that just duplicates the mobile site in a different skin if that's all "most people" use anyway?

People aren't asking for an app because it is such a frickin' hassle to type touch.facebook.com into your Pre browser once and bookmark it. They want an app because they want to do MORE, not less.

By your logic, then, nobody should bother making a native Facebook application because it would duplicate the functionality of the website.

[donm527]

interesting... cnet gave it a 'very good' rating but it really sounds like a crummy review.

Originally Posted by windzilla

Palm Pixi (Sprint) Smartphone reviews - CNET Reviews

[hparsons]

Originally Posted by VickMackey

happy for you, then my need for a more robust app shoudnt bother you then eh?

Actually, I've never said anything to the contrary. As a matter of fact, this was the gist of my firt post on this thread:

"Feel free to dislike the app, but the notion that this app is somehow indicitive of a poor development process from Palm is just more of your "I hate Palm" nonsense. "

[hparsons]

Originally Posted by dandbj13

...
If it is not very good, there are only two conclusions one can draw. WebOS is deficient and a better app can't be made, or a better app can be made but Palm is unable to attract better developers.

Sorry, but there is a third conclusion one can draw (and likely others that neither you or have have considered):

WebOS is fully capable, as evidenced by other Facebook apps, and just like other apps, this new functionality that's been built into WebOS will likely be further utilized after this initial showing.

The new hooks this utilizes haven't even been released yet (except for those few users that got an early Pixi).

[Stihl]

There are somewhere around four different arguments going on in this thread and it's become pretty difficult to for me to parse, so I will bow out for now.

I do think the general idea of 'this facebook app will be adequate for most users and will get better in the future ' is not only speciously tautological, but also misses the point of several varying and valid arguments presented in this thread by many people

[VickMackey]

Originally Posted by hparsons

Actually, I've never said anything to the contrary. As a matter of fact, this was the gist of my firt post on this thread:

"Feel free to dislike the app, but the notion that this app is somehow indicitive of a poor development process from Palm is just more of your "I hate Palm" nonsense. "

actually it is very indicative of poor development process from Palm. If this is what they have to show for 6+ months of development/outsourcing then it is disconcerting to say the least. you need to stop carrying the water for palm, they pay people to do that.

[hparsons]

Originally Posted by sivan

Alright. To borrow from hparsons, only "some" users want a good Facebook app, and only "some" users want a good Calendar, and only "some" users care about the Music app and podcasts, and so on.

Is there anything at all that's actually important in webOS, or is it just a mishmash of stuff no one really cares about?

Go back and look at your own summary. First you talk about me saying "some users", then you conclude with "no one really cares about".

Do you see the fault in your logic.

Even though your summary of my view is incorrect, or at least misleaing, your logic is flawed.

The proper conclusion would have been "just a mishmash of stuff that some users care about".

And yes, that's how I view WebOS. A mixture of all the things that, individually "only some" users want, but collectively will appeal to many.

[hparsons]

Originally Posted by dandbj13

No, I'm confusing the target market with those who Palm designed their ad campaign for...

Which ad campaign would that be? The Facebook ad was from Sprint, not Palm.

[s219]

Originally Posted by hparsons

"Feel free to dislike the app, but the notion that this app is somehow indicitive of a poor development process from Palm is just more of your "I hate Palm" nonsense. "

It sure is not indicative of a good development process.

[hparsons]

Originally Posted by VickMackey

actually it is very indicative of poor development process from Palm. If this is what they have to show for 6+ months of development/outsourcing then it is disconcerting to say the least. you need to stop carrying the water for palm, they pay people to do that.

You might have a point if Palm were working exlusively to please you. There's no indication that this is a showing of "6+ months of development/outsourcing".

And you need to stop instructing me on what I should and shouldn't do, I have a wife for that.

[hparsons]

Originally Posted by s219

It sure is not indicative of a good development process.

Well, you fancy yourself the expert, I hear Palm is hiring...

[windzilla]

yea I'm out too

[s219]

Originally Posted by hparsons

Well, you fancy yourself the expert, I hear Palm is hiring...

You're the only one sarcastically labeling people as experts around here, when they don't agree with your point. I think you need to knock it off. It's getting really old.

If Palm had their act together and put out a good FB app, we wouldn't be having this discussion at all.